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« on: November 22, 2009, 05:17:18 PM »

I have been doing an Illustration course and I've found that I really need to develop a style.  At the moment I'm just basically doing whatever I think would suit the job.  (See my sketchbook thread for examples http://www.biteycastle.com/smf/index.php/topic,1101.15.html)  The problem is that it takes much longer than it should, because I have to figure out how to paint like that first.  I'm on holidays at the moment so I'm thinking now is a good time to find a style before I go back for second year.
I found an image the other day, which grabbed me straight away.  It's actually a photo, but one part of it looks like it could be developed for painting (digital or traditional).
The problem is, I don't know how I would go about it.  Could anyone help me?
atm I am just thinking about how to do it digitally, traditionally it should be a bit easier for me.
Thanks peeps, here's the picture with the main parts highlighted.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 10:22:07 PM »

Well, the way I would go about it is just draw it as your see it. Then draw it again but simplify it, and do this multiple times but in a different way every time.
I would advice that you focus on your drawing and lineart first before figuring out your painting style, because then you would need to tackle all aspects at once.
If you have your own shape language then your illustrations will look like they're yours regardless of painting style most of the time.
Divide and conquer is my motto, just take a complex subject and break it up in smaller steps.

One more thing: you can't force a style, because it will look forced. But you can evolve into it in time. You just need to experiment and pick up what you like and discard what you don't like.
Try finding a simple painting style, do not render the crap out of everything because that will take ages and gets in the way of finding your style at this point.
And expect that it will take some time before you feel settled, some artists never reach that point, it's best to just have fun and not to be too obsessive about it.

Just my oppinion ofcourse.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 10:54:45 PM »

I agree with pieter on mostly all of that. Yet never the less I pushed my way threw ... not saying im even done doing learning various techniques in digital work. One thing that I only did once but actully really helped me once was i just painted the object side by side. One thing I got really stuck on was that I looked around me and saw everything so clearly that i had a rediculus tick to make everything look as detailed as i possibly could. This isnt necessary always and really builds composition if you know how to make it work. Knowing where to define and refine ... Anyways if i were to go in and paint that tree i would take a scratch brush and a hard brush ... first i would lay a few scratchy dark green marks as the background of the tree ... then take the hard brush on a new layer painting in the trunk. Then i would go back and put some highlights on the back dark greens ... then make a new layer above the trunk layer and paint some more green scratchy ness.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 11:01:27 PM »

I don't even think you can work out a style, people might say otherwise but I really don't think so. I think it comes to you by studying fundamentals and by time you will get influenced by artists. No artist is an island, you can't be an artist and not be influenced by others.

Style comes to you, don't worry.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 11:42:08 PM »

I'm going to have to agree with those above and say you can't worry about style. It's sorta something you can't escape since anything you do is going to have a "style" to it because it's how you see, and how you put it down on paper. Construction, composition, perspective, and stuff like that should be worried about more than style.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 12:51:14 AM »

I don't even think you can work out a style.

I'm sure you can, but it's really more of a proces then some instant-thing. It takes time. If you look at Mignola for example he did pretty 'standard' comic drawing, untill the nineties when he started to do Hellboy and stuff, his style really flourised there. Another good example is Gustav Klimt...

Look at this...


And then this a couple of years later...


I think style is more something that you can get by bending your techniques to your will rather then just saying to yourself 'ok now i'm gonna draw like this guy, and throw in a bit of this guy'. I would agree that something of yourself will always stick onto it, but I would still disagree with saying that you cannot develop your own style.
But it shouldn't be a facade, it shouldn't be faked. Just draw the things you enjoy the most, experiment allot and study the artists you love and style will come to you.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 02:01:04 PM »

Hmmmm.... ok thanks guys.  I was kind of expecting the "your style will come to you" sort of thing.  However, I've never been one to follow conventional 'rules'.  (Not that it's really a rule, but yeh)
I'll try to do what you said Pieter.  That's kind of what I was thinking of doing, just learning how to paint like that first, and then see where my style or preference takes me.
Just to clarify I wasn't thinking of just copying that tree's style and applying it to all my paintings lol  And I think with Gustav Klimt as you said, he probably saw something he liked and tried that out, and after a while his own personal style merged with it, which it inevitably will unless your painstakingly copying something bit by bit.
Ravenseye - Thanks for that technique, I'll download some of those painting brushes when I get around to doing it in photoshop.
Twin-Dragon88  - Yeah we are learning all that stuff in the course I'm doing, so I'm going to learn that no matter what.  So I figured I'd work on my style by myself.
Well, I'll probably just get to painting traditionally first, I'm much better at that, and once I start to like what I see, I'll try to throw some digital stuff in too.

Thanks guys!
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 12:21:50 AM »

I'm sure you can

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I respect your point but I don't agree with you. I think style is something that comes to you, it's something that influences you. Personally I don't work at style at all, I draw the way that feel natural to me. When you see stuff you get blown away by, you take some of what you see in you and I believe that you do so without even knowing it. Sometimes you get influenced a lot sometimes you get influenced just a tiny bit. But everything gets mixed in the soup.

Fundamentals are something you work at, style is something that grows in you. You don't work it.

edit: also, the reason why people change their style is because the way they draw doesn't feel right to them, it doesn't feel natural. I've never had to work on style, I don't even bother to care about style. I draw what feels right.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 01:19:23 AM »

Hmmmm maybe you are right....
I don't really know yet, I'm only 19 and I've got a long way to go before I find my style (judging by the ages most people do) and as someone else said in this thread, some people never do so yeah....
Something for me to think about anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2009, 10:44:40 AM »

I respect your point but I don't agree with you. I think style is something that comes to you, it's something that influences you. Personally I don't work at style at all, I draw the way that feel natural to me. When you see stuff you get blown away by, you take some of what you see in you and I believe that you do so without even knowing it. Sometimes you get influenced a lot sometimes you get influenced just a tiny bit. But everything gets mixed in the soup.

Fundamentals are something you work at, style is something that grows in you. You don't work it.

edit: also, the reason why people change their style is because the way they draw doesn't feel right to them, it doesn't feel natural. I've never had to work on style, I don't even bother to care about style. I draw what feels right.

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And I respect your point, but I don't think you've understood my point completely. I never said that style doesn't come to you, of course it does, and ofcourse you will be subconciously influenced by other work, I know I am and everyone else is. When you talk about working fundamentals you're aware you cannot avoid that you're at the same time influencing your style?
Because, if you work in a late 19th century academical style you most likely start with copying the outline of the object and then copy the shadow edges of the object. The fact that you do this instead of the renaisance method of working crosshatch on top of a volumetric line drawing allready will present you with a different outcome. Now if you take the cell shaded drawing and add in the midtones and shadows you're already changing the style again from an abstraction to an illusionistic way of drawing. When you know this you can say to yourself 'I'm only going to use the block in and transition to light and use a high saturated color in the shadows to increase the illusion of glowing skin'. This is a change of style yet in essence it's a purely technical decision. If you decide to paint in the old school fundamental way of glazing and scumbling in layer, or work in the new school fundamental way of painting alla primma you'll get a different look. If you decide that a particular project needs a more sinister look and feel you decide to use more elongated proportions of say 10 or 11 heads instead of 7-8 and make the eyes smaller, and use a brush and ink instead of pen to give everything a more raspier look. This is perfectly possible without having to 'force' yourself completely.
Ofcourse if you're into 1930's Disney stuff and decide you're going to draw a la Shirow you're going to have a hard time. But that's not my point. My point is that technique and style are not rivals but companions. Technique determines style and deciding on a style should result in a thinking and research process of how you can change you technique to get your desired results. The entire notion that style is some magical spiritual given that cannot be determined upon is just nonsense in my opinion. If you're working for Disney and are doing Aristocats and the next year have to work on Lilo and Stitch and cannot draw these different styled characters you have a big problem. The reason profesionals tell newbies to not focus on style is because it's entirely besides the question in their stage of development, they shouldn't be focusing on the 'what' but on the 'how'.
Personal style is something that grows, I'm not saying that everytime you sit down behind your wacom you force yourself to draw like artist X or artist y, ofcourse you do your own thing, and offcourse you'll be influenced subconciously by your favourite artists, as well by your own personality.

I guess it depends for a large part on your way of thinking. When I'm browsing the web and I see a certain piece of art I really like I often think 'oh hell yeah! everyone should draw like this!' and then the next great thing I see I'm like 'oh no no, everyone should be drawing like this!'. I like to analyze other artists work, and sometimes put a bunch of images I like together and see what they've got in common, is it their use of proportion, is it their way of lighting?' I used to enjoy allot of work, yet I didn't know WHY I liked it so much, but from observing and using the things I learned trough my fundamental studies I can see the differences and determine their way of working and thinking behind it, which if I like it enough can play around with myself to see where it gets me, and it's like you said, it gets added into the soup, it does grow, but I think that you can purposefully influence if if you're aware of what you're doing. That's also where the fundamentals come in.
The great thing about art is, once you reach a certain point in knowledge and ability it all ties toghether in a big whole, like a tree thagt branches out. And things that seemed seperate all of the sudden merge into one cosmic substance. And you can see the same principles in music, literature, math, graphics design, architecture, nature... there are a lot of 'rules' that apply to a pletora of fields. Style is not a purely aesthetic given, it contains everything from composition to storytelling to integration into the enviroment. Everything is relative to everything else, which I think is THE fundamental rule in art in general, and perhaps life even.  Grin

By the way, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, just that maybe you're not seeying the complete picture yet. I know I'm not, I doubt I ever will.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 11:26:15 AM »

I hope you don't expect me to read all that. If you'd summarize it'd I'd gladly reply back properly.
All I have to say is that I hope you understand that I won't change my mind.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 12:43:19 PM »

As I lack any true artistic ability (am still working hard at becoming better just so darn busy!)
I have no valid opinion on this but I agree with Pieter
I hope you don't expect me to read all that. If you'd summarize it'd I'd gladly reply back properly.
All I have to say is that I hope you understand that I won't change my mind.
Undecided thats a rather stubborn perspective, hopefully with time you will open your mind more.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 12:20:15 AM »

I'm not openminded? I might be the most openminded person you'd ever meet. I spoke my mind, someone thought otherwise, which is fine.

I'm not going to change my mind because someone else thinks otherwise. I listen to people, but I don't HAVE to agree OR change because of what they say. I change to what makes sense to me. If I'd change because someone tells me something, my dad would have turned me into a mechanic.

I don't believe you work at style. If you think otherwise, that's cool, but I don't have to agree.

edit: oh and yes, I am a stubborn person. But that doesn't mean I'm not openminded. Openminded is to listen to people and be open for new ideas and thinking. But openminded doesn't mean "agree and change whenever people say something you don't agree with". Also smiting my karma for speaking my mind is... yeah... Maybe you aren't being openminded?
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 08:14:10 AM »

his large reply isn't that hard to read....

But yeah, at work i have to work in very vastly different styles for ever project, stuff you would never imagine me drawing, but because i have a good understanding of what makes style work i can do it.

The style you are talking about that you can only develop through work is actually a style you want to avoid, as it is a style born from lack of understanding (think mistakes that happen to look cool). This is how most artists work but if you want to be truly successful you cannot do this, as you need to know how to do any style you need at a clients whim.
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edit: oh and yes, I am a stubborn person. But that doesn't mean I'm not openminded. Openminded is to listen to people and be open for new ideas and thinking. But openminded doesn't mean "agree and change whenever people say something you don't agree with". Also smiting my karma for speaking my mind is... yeah... Maybe you aren't being openminded?

If you are so open minded you are going to let a small wall of text from pieter stand in your way?

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2009, 12:01:03 PM »

Wow, what was that? Some kind of "in your face" thing? Passive insults is what that is, not questions.

Geez.. I've had it with this, I'm never even looking forward to go to this place. I was in a good mood before I went to this forum today. So I'm leaving I'm seeing no point of coming to a forum that puts down my mood just because I have an opinion and a belief I'm sticking to.
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